[Skip to main content](#vessel-content) # Maybe it's me ## - **[kaozdesigns](/forum/user/38548-kaozdesigns "View kaozdesigns's Profile")** - [![kaozdesigns's Avatar](https://www.hikashop.com/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](/forum/user/38548-kaozdesigns "View kaozdesigns's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](/forum/user/38548-kaozdesigns) Less More - Posts: 1 - Thank you received: 0 - - 11 years 1 month ago [\#212785](#212785) by [kaozdesigns](/forum/user/38548-kaozdesigns "View kaozdesigns's Profile") *[Maybe it's me](/forum/32-content-creation/879004-maybe-its-me#212785 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.5.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.3 -- PHP version -- : 5.3 -- Browser(s) name and version -- : Chrome Latest -- Error-message(debug-mod must be tuned on) -- : No Error Messages So I am getting ready to buy the business edition so I setup the starter edition to get a taste of Hikashop before I buy. There is 1 specific requirement that I have for items, and it appears HS meets the requirement but I am getting some really weird behavior. I have about 6 categories, each with roughly 10-20 products in them. Some of my products need to have multiple characteristics with about 25 values per characteristic. I created my item and saved it. (1 Set of 8 Bags, 4 of 1 color, 4 of another) I created my Bag 1 characteristic with all 25 values and saved it. (Bag Color 1) I created my Bag 2 characteristic with all 25 values and saved it. (Bag Color 2) Went to my product and added Bag 1 and Bag 2 as characteristics. Currently I only have 4 products entered in my backend. The 1 set of 8 product being the only one with characteristics. Looking in my products table in the database I now have like 655 rows in that table. It looks like the values for my characteristics are creating individual products instead of just a relation in the variants table. I don't know if I am doing this wrong or not, but it is driving me bonkers. I tried to add another product which was 8 sets of 8 Bags, that product uses 8 characteristics (25 colors each). It created something like 32000 products in my database and caused an out of memory error in the backend. I have uninstalled Hika, deleted all tables, and reinstalled 3 times now thinking it was me, same thing keeps happening Any help would be more than appreciated.")* was created by *[kaozdesigns](/forum/user/38548-kaozdesigns "View kaozdesigns's Profile")* -- HikaShop version -- : 2.5.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.3 -- PHP version -- : 5.3 -- Browser(s) name and version -- : Chrome Latest -- Error-message(debug-mod must be tuned on) -- : No Error Messages So I am getting ready to buy the business edition so I setup the starter edition to get a taste of Hikashop before I buy. There is 1 specific requirement that I have for items, and it appears HS meets the requirement but I am getting some really weird behavior. I have about 6 categories, each with roughly 10-20 products in them. Some of my products need to have multiple characteristics with about 25 values per characteristic. I created my item and saved it. (1 Set of 8 Bags, 4 of 1 color, 4 of another) I created my Bag 1 characteristic with all 25 values and saved it. (Bag Color 1) I created my Bag 2 characteristic with all 25 values and saved it. (Bag Color 2) Went to my product and added Bag 1 and Bag 2 as characteristics. Currently I only have 4 products entered in my backend. The 1 set of 8 product being the only one with characteristics. Looking in my products table in the database I now have like 655 rows in that table. It looks like the values for my characteristics are creating individual products instead of just a relation in the variants table. I don't know if I am doing this wrong or not, but it is driving me bonkers. I tried to add another product which was 8 sets of 8 Bags, that product uses 8 characteristics (25 colors each). It created something like 32000 products in my database and caused an out of memory error in the backend. I have uninstalled Hika, deleted all tables, and reinstalled 3 times now thinking it was me, same thing keeps happening Any help would be more than appreciated. Please [Log in](/login?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaGlrYXNob3AuY29tL2ZvcnVtLzMyLWNvbnRlbnQtY3JlYXRpb24vODc5MDA0LW1heWJlLWl0cy1tZT90bXBsPW1hcmtkb3du) or [Create an account](/component/users/registration?Itemid=101) to join the conversation. - **[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")** - [![nicolas's Avatar](https://www.hikashop.com/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar63.png)](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile") - [ Offline](/forum/user/63-nicolas) Less More - Posts: 86290 - Thank you received: 14268 - - 11 years 1 month ago [\#212894](#212894) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile") Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Maybe it's me](/forum/32-content-creation/879004-maybe-its-me#212894 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.5.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.3 -- PHP version -- : 5.3 -- Browser(s) name and version -- : Chrome Latest -- Error-message(debug-mod must be tuned on) -- : No Error Messages So I am getting ready to buy the business edition so I setup the starter edition to get a taste of Hikashop before I buy. There is 1 specific requirement that I have for items, and it appears HS meets the requirement but I am getting some really weird behavior. I have about 6 categories, each with roughly 10-20 products in them. Some of my products need to have multiple characteristics with about 25 values per characteristic. I created my item and saved it. (1 Set of 8 Bags, 4 of 1 color, 4 of another) I created my Bag 1 characteristic with all 25 values and saved it. (Bag Color 1) I created my Bag 2 characteristic with all 25 values and saved it. (Bag Color 2) Went to my product and added Bag 1 and Bag 2 as characteristics. Currently I only have 4 products entered in my backend. The 1 set of 8 product being the only one with characteristics. Looking in my products table in the database I now have like 655 rows in that table. It looks like the values for my characteristics are creating individual products instead of just a relation in the variants table. I don't know if I am doing this wrong or not, but it is driving me bonkers. I tried to add another product which was 8 sets of 8 Bags, that product uses 8 characteristics (25 colors each). It created something like 32000 products in my database and caused an out of memory error in the backend. I have uninstalled Hika, deleted all tables, and reinstalled 3 times now thinking it was me, same thing keeps happening Any help would be more than appreciated.")* Hi, The characteristic system of HikaShop allows you to have one variant (sub product entity) for each combination of value of the characteristics of the product. This allows you to configure different prices, images, description, quantity, etc for each variant of the product so that it is handled dynamically on the product page on the frontend. If you sell a tshirt in 5 colors, in reality, you have 5 stock entries on your end. It's the same in HikaShop. If course, this system isn't made to be used if you have a lot of combinations possible. In that case, it often means that you don't want to use characteristics but that you want to use instead options or custom item fields: [ www.hikashop.com/support/support/documen...ct-form.html#options](http://www.hikashop.com/support/support/documentation/integrated-documentation/19-hikashop-product-form.html#options) [ www.hikashop.com/support/support/documen...shop-field-form.html](http://www.hikashop.com/support/support/documentation/42-hikashop-field-form.html) These won't create product entries like characteristics and it's probably what you want in your case. Please [Log in](/login?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaGlrYXNob3AuY29tL2ZvcnVtLzMyLWNvbnRlbnQtY3JlYXRpb24vODc5MDA0LW1heWJlLWl0cy1tZT90bXBsPW1hcmtkb3du) or [Create an account](/component/users/registration?Itemid=101) to join the conversation. 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