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11 years 6 days ago [\#217791](#217791) by [nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")  *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#217791 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")* was created by *[nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")*

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I want to create a tax category (22%) for :
1. EU individuals
2. Italian Companies
And no tax to:
1. Except EU individuals
2. Except Italian Companies

I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?

Thank you

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11 years 5 days ago [\#217814](#217814) by [Mohamed Thelji](/forum/user/6861-mohamed-thelji "View Mohamed Thelji's Profile")  Replied by *[Mohamed Thelji](/forum/user/6861-mohamed-thelji "View Mohamed Thelji's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#217814 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hello,
Note that you can restrict your taxes regarding your customer Billing address and user group.
So you'll just have to create a tax that will apply to :
- EU and Italian addresses
- Individuals and Companies user groups.

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11 years 5 days ago [\#217951](#217951) by [nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")  Replied by *[nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#217951 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

I want to pay VAT only:
1. EU individuals
2. Italian Companies

So I restrict:
Zone: Europe
Customer type: "Individual" and "Companies with VAT"

but how to include ONLY Italians "Companies with VAT"?
The above configuration includes and other EU countries companies.

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11 years 4 days ago [\#217966](#217966) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")  Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#217966 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi,

You just have to configure several tax rules:
One for the individuals and the Europe zone
One for the companies and the Italy zone

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11 years 4 days ago -  11 years 4 days ago [\#218018](#218018) by [nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")  Replied by *[nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#218018 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Yes I can do that but all products must have the same Tax rule.
So in one tax rule I must have all restrictions.
Or how else can apply 2 rules in products?

I asked an accountant and told me that this is the standard way of selling goods in EU, so I suppose that this will be a guide for others with the same problem.

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11 years 4 days ago [\#218095](#218095) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")  Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#218095 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi,

No, the products must have the same tax rate, not the same tax rule.
So you can create two tax rules using the same tax rate. That will work.
That's what everyone in EU using HikaShop does, and no other accountant had a problem with that. We do it on our own website using HikaShop and we are also based in the EU. I can guarantee you that we checked with our own accountant before implementing that.

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11 years 4 days ago [\#218113](#218113) by [nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")  Replied by *[nojunkgoodfood](/forum/user/35905-nojunkgoodfood "View nojunkgoodfood's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#218113 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Thank you.
It was so simple and I lost there in taxes!
The key was , THE SAME tax category!

To make it simpler for other users I made as you said:

1. One default tax Category with Italian VAT rate.
2. Two tax rules with the same above tax category and the restrictions:
a. Zone: Europe, Customer Type: Individual
b. Zone: Italy, Customer Type: Company with VAT Number

So only EU individuals and Italian companies will pay VAT
As far as it concerns the Hikashop, I have test it a lot in U.S. e-shops and I am convinced that it is by far the best Joomla cart component.

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10 years 11 months ago [\#218795](#218795) by [mohairbears](/forum/user/916-mohairbears "View mohairbears's Profile")  Replied by *[mohairbears](/forum/user/916-mohairbears "View mohairbears's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#218795 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi, I am struggling to make this work correctly for European VAT registered businesses. I have tried various options bases on the previous thread without success.

The end goal is;
All UK pays 20% VAT
EU individuals &amp; businesses pay 20% VAT
EU VAT registered businesses with a valid VAT number pay 0% VAT

I have followed the previous thread but exchanged Italy for UK but cannot get Hikashop to add or remove the VAT as required for the Europe? is there another setting I am missing somewhere?

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10 years 11 months ago [\#218834](#218834) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")  Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#218834 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

No, it should be quite simple, with just two tax rules:
- one for the UK country zone with your 20% tax rate for the default tax category
- one for the Europe tax zone (remove the UK from it) only for the type of clients individual and company without vat number, again, with your 20% tax rate for the default tax category

Then, make sure that the address_company and address_vat fields are activated and that the products as assigned to the default tax category and that should be it.

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10 years 11 months ago [\#218918](#218918) by [mohairbears](/forum/user/916-mohairbears "View mohairbears's Profile")  Replied by *[mohairbears](/forum/user/916-mohairbears "View mohairbears's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#218918 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi Nicolas,
Yes that is one of the ways I have tried to get this to work as I would have expected this to be the preferred method. The problem appears to be that 'individuals' in the Europe zone allow purchases to be tax free which is incorrect, the only way I can get the cart to charge VAT for individuals in Europe is to select 'all customer types'

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10 years 11 months ago [\#218980](#218980) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")  Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#218980 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Then it means that you've changed the "default customer type" setting of the HikaShop configuration to something else than "individuals" and thus you don't have individuals anymore on your website.
Put it back to "individuals" as it is by default and it will work.

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10 years 11 months ago [\#219053](#219053) by [mohairbears](/forum/user/916-mohairbears "View mohairbears's Profile")  Replied by *[mohairbears](/forum/user/916-mohairbears "View mohairbears's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#219053 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi Nicolas, 100% correct as usual ;o)

I now have a little problem as the 'default address type' has vanish from my config menu after making the change?

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10 years 11 months ago [\#219054](#219054) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")  Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#219054 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi,

That's normal. We've actually removed that option as people were changing it without knowing what they were doing.
It now only displays if you update HikaShop and had set it up to something else than 'individual' (because then we assume that you know what you were doing but we still give you the possibility to set it back to "individual").

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10 years 6 months ago -  10 years 6 months ago [\#234770](#234770) by [pljuarez](/forum/user/34788-pljuarez "View pljuarez's Profile")  Replied by *[pljuarez](/forum/user/34788-pljuarez "View pljuarez's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#234770 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi Nicholas, I have the same problem.
My configuration:
Address used for taxes: Billing Address
2 Taxes: Same Category, Same Tax rate, 2 diferent zones:

1. Europe no Spain: Individuals, Companies without VAT number
2. Spain: All customer types

[ ![Tax01.jpg](/forum/attachment/30373) ](/forum/attachment/30373 "Tax01.jpg")

But when I use a French or Italian billing address at checkout, VAT don't apply.

[ ![Tax02.jpg](/forum/attachment/30374) ](/forum/attachment/30374 "Tax02.jpg")

Where can I look my "default customer type" configuration? because I can't find it at Hikashop Configuration

Thanks in advice

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10 years 6 months ago [\#234772](#234772) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")  Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#234772 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi,

As I said in my previous message, that option has been removed so that you can't mess with it.
So it's normal that you don't have it, and the problem doesn't come from that.

If it works fine for Spain but not France, it's likely that the problem comes from the way you setup the Europe_no_spain zone.
Make sure that it is of the type "tax zone" and that it contains the countris you want as "sub zones".

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10 years 6 months ago [\#234824](#234824) by [pljuarez](/forum/user/34788-pljuarez "View pljuarez's Profile")  Replied by *[pljuarez](/forum/user/34788-pljuarez "View pljuarez's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#234824 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

I have done my "Europe_no_Spain" zone by copying your "Europe" Tax zone and removing Spain from subzones list.

[ ![Tax03a.jpg](/forum/attachment/30383) ](/forum/attachment/30383 "Tax03a.jpg")

Even, I created a new Spain Tax zone by copying Spain country zone to apply only to spanish customers, but VAT still doesn't apply to customers of rest of Europe

[ ![Tax03.jpg](/forum/attachment/30384) ](/forum/attachment/30384 "Tax03.jpg")

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10 years 6 months ago [\#234890](#234890) by [pljuarez](/forum/user/34788-pljuarez "View pljuarez's Profile")  Replied by *[pljuarez](/forum/user/34788-pljuarez "View pljuarez's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#234890 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi Nicholas, I think I found the problem. If I introduce a valid document number in address_vat field in my address form, hikashop considers my customer like company with VAT number, because if I leave this field blank then hikashop applies VAT correctly.

Is this the correct behaviour?
Thanks

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10 years 6 months ago [\#234834](#234834) by [nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")  Replied by *[nicolas](/forum/user/63-nicolas "View nicolas's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#234834 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Then the problem might be elsewhere.
It has to come from one of the points in:
[ www.hikashop.com/support/documentation/3...ion-listing.html#faq](https://www.hikashop.com/support/documentation/37-hikashop-taxation-listing.html#faq)
Please check each point.

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10 years 6 months ago [\#234901](#234901) by [Xavier](/forum/user/4105-xavier "View Xavier's Profile")  Replied by *[Xavier](/forum/user/4105-xavier "View Xavier's Profile")* on topic *[Taxes apply](/forum/40-taxes/879941-taxes-apply#234901 "-- HikaShop version -- : 2.6.0 -- Joomla version -- : 3.4.4 -- PHP version -- : 5.5.26  Hi  I want to create a tax category (22%) for : 1. EU individuals 2. Italian Companies And no tax to: 1. Except EU individuals 2. Except Italian Companies  I can do the restrictions but I can not do all restrictions together. Any suggestion how to do it?  Thank you")*

Hi,

Yes it indeed the correct behaviour.

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Thanks, Nicholas and Xavier, but , Xavier, our financial department tells us that if the customer is in the European Union, they need a valid document from customer to make an invoice, even if the customer is an individual, but if customer fill in "address_vat" field then is condsidered like a company and then VAT doesn't apply and, for us, this is not correct.

Where can I change the implementation of this behaviour in our proper manner?

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